19. Dorothy Marie Crocker

by Susan Tiner on September 26, 2010

 

my 11th birthday - dad and grandma dorothy

Jack J Carnall, the probable father of my father does not seem to be a nasty character after further genealogical digging and after recollecting the sadness in his voice when my father spoke of his real father. Now I think the nasty one is perhaps the Tiner fellow Grandmother Dorothy met at the time of leaving Cook County and moving to San Francisco. It’s hard to imagine her leaving Chicago with a young child by herself and without any means of support. My Dad once referred to the Tiner person as a sailor stationed in Hawaii and since some of his other observations and comments are turning out to be true I’m sticking with the Tiner-the -sailor thread for now. Maybe like the sailor in Marnie he was not so friendly when home on leave.

Why did Dorothy leave Chicago sometime between 1933 and 1936, when my father recalled visiting Holy City in the San Francisco Bay Area, and why was Jack J Carnall out of the picture at that point? After the 2nd wedding to Dorothy in 1933 I know nothing about Jack J Carnall except that he was living with his second wife Mable Merle in Chicago at the point of his premature death in 1943, just ten years after the second marriage to Dorothy.

 

Chronic myocarditis

The death notice reads as follows:

John J. Carnall, beloved husband of Mabel Merle Carnall, fond son of Donald and May Carnall, brother of Mrs. Paul Faust, Mrs. Walter Leach, Donald, Mark and William Carnall. Funeral Thursday, 10:30 a. m., at late residence, 3100 Sheridan Road. Internment Mount Carmel cemetery. Please omit flowers.

No mention of the previous marriage to Dorothy or of being survived by my father. My father always said that his father died very young of a heart attack. The building at 3100 Sheridan Rd (from Google Earth) looks like a pretty nice residence.

3100 Sheridan Rd

 

I wrote to the two Roman Catholic churches where Jack and Dorothy were married, St Athanasius Parish Evanston in 1930 and Saint Mary Catholic Church Evanston in 1933. I’ve already heard from St Mary’s — they’re researching possible marriage, baptism and/or annulment records. Since these weddings were Roman Catholic, Mount Carmel is a Roman Catholic cemetery and a living descendant of one of Jack J Carnall’s sisters confirmed (private email) that this sister was a devout Roman Catholic — attended Roman Catholic High School — it seems safe to assume for now that the Carnalls were Roman Catholic. My father said they had roots in Wales though without upgrading my ancestry.com subscription to the international version I can’t trace Jack J Carnall’s father Donald further back than his immigration to Chicago from Napanee, Ontario November 1900. The 1910 Census denotes Donald’s place of birth as Canada English — mother’s birth place Ireland father’s England — and his 1938 naturalization record shows his Country of Birth or Allegiance to be “Canada – Great Britian.” Not exactly a French Canadian Fur Trapper but there’s a Canadian link. The 1910 and 1920 Census show Jack J Carnall’s mother Mary aka May Foley as being born in Illinois — mother’s birthplace Missouri father’s Ireland. There’s more to learn about the Carnall’s social and financial circumstances. Donald describes himself as a manufacturer of clothing and accessories (1918) on one document and as working for the American Maid Co. 847 W. Jackson Blvd (1942) on another. The 1918 WWI draft registration shows Donald’s address at 305 Central Wilmette, the 1938 naturalization record shows an address at the famous Georgian Hotel and his 1942 WW II draft registration shows an address at the premiere Edgewater Beach Hotel so it seems the Carnalls were comfortable.

Dorothy’s situation living with her father and mother and her mother’s relatives (mother’s relatives being there suggests mother had some power to make decisions about the family) at 1323 Winnemac Ave Chicago (1918) shown below also seems comfortable but less prestigious.

1323 Winnemac Ave Chicago

 

I first thought the Depression might explain the need for two families to live together in one household but both the 1920 and 1930 Census records show them all living together so this seems like more of a long-term arrangement. Dorothy’s father Eugene Richard S Crocker and her Uncle William Edgar Tieste both filled out WW I draft registration cards at the same office 12 Sep 1918 — taking a trip together to the draft office seems like friendship or a feeling of close relation. William Tieste lists his place of employment at the Chicago Talking Machine Co. 12 N. Michigan Ave Chicago and Eugene Crocker lists his as Credit Manager Miller Rubber Co Akron, Ohio.

Eugene S Crocker’s ancestry is kind of interesting. His grandfather Sylvanus Crocker (1807 – 1876) was the 10th child born of Jedediah Crocker (1761 – 1841), Massachusetts farmer and American Revolutionary war veteran. Jedediah is a direct descendant of William Crocker, who immigrated from England with Rev. Lathrop and company in 1634, and was Dean of the West Parish of Barnstable. Five generations later when #10 child Sylvanus was born Jedediah et al were Ohio farmers. Euguene’s own father Sylvanus J Crocker is listed as a farmer on the 1880 Census in Dover, Ohio. How did Eugene, born on a farm, come to be a credit manager for Miller Rubber Co?

Dorothy’s mother was born in Illinois but both of her parents were born in Sweden. It will take time to find out more about them.

Grandmother Dorothy liked to refer to herself in the third person and sometimes used The Royal We in speaking to us. She claimed illustrious ancestry but aside from the Pilgrim her ancestry and circumstances 1918 – 1930 seem fairly modest.

Here’s what I don’t understand. How does Dorothy, an only child living in a stable and probably financially secure family situation find herself pregnant in 1930 at age 18, just a few months before she will marry a 26 year old Roman Catholic from a financially comfortable family then leave Chicago just a few years later apparently cutting off all contact with my father’s probable father?

It being 1930, during Prohibition, I’m thinking there was some illegal drinking going on. We know that Dorothy was a life long alcoholic. Drinking and having sex out of wedlock must have been considered risky behavior at the time. It shows an independent streak too. How did these two families handle the situation?

My father said that he was baptized Episcopalian — since the marriages were Roman Catholic the Episcopalian baptism indicates deliberate distancing from the Carnalls. Perhaps Jack J Carnall agreed to the marriage out of a sense of decency but thereafter Dorothy and her parents wanted no further contact? My father never seemed to know very much about his father and this lack of knowledge indicates lack of contact. It certainly could have been the other way around — the Carnalls distancing — but this wouldn’t be consistent with Roman Catholic beliefs about marriage and parenthood.

Remembering the kind of person my grandmother was — I’ll write stories about spending time with her in future posts — I think she wasn’t the slightest bit interested in settling down to a traditional family life with Jack J Carnall even if he was a willing husband and father.

I think my grandmother wanted an adventure: Jack J Carnall was dismissed from the picture and my father had to go along for Dorothy’s ride.

It will take time to establish my father’s birth name and to verify that Jack J Carnall is in fact my father’s father. Since the online database didn’t work out I’m putting together all of the facts I can to place a request for manual research of his birth record in Cook County. I suppose it’s possible he was born in a different county or that he was born at home if this was customary at the time. As I have time I’ll write to the Evanston area Episcopal churchs seeking the record of baptism and will apply to other counties if the Cook Country research doesn’t produce the record.

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1 La Belette Rouge September 26, 2010 at 3:24 pm

This is absolutely fascinating . I feel like I am following a mystery. I cannot wait to see all the you discover. And, I know exactly where 3100 Sheridan Rd. is. I have driven by that building over 100 times.
I have to ask( i can’t help myself) how does it feel to write about all this? What does all of this bring up for you? I am so curious. Also feel free to tell me to mind my own beeswax.xoxo

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2 Susan Tiner September 26, 2010 at 3:38 pm

Hi LBR,

Am I right that 3100 Sheridan is a nice building?

I don’t mind talking about how I feel. I really couldn’t write about all of this stuff if I didn’t have considerable emotional distance. (The last sort of BIG emotional event for me was reconciling with my Mom in person then writing about it.)

What strikes me in researching my Dad is that the lack of connection with the Carnalls may not have been for a good reason other than the whims of my Grandmother. It’s pure speculation of course at this point but that’s how it’s shaping up. If Dorothy at 18 was anything like my young father she was definitely a handful. So I’m seeing this interesting pattern developing across multiple generations wherein there’s a live wire adult character and the kid(s) of this person get to go for a bumpy ride. Some of it could be genetic, e.g., the alcoholism, my father’s unusual intelligence. How it works out for the kids going on the bumpy ride is highly variable. I wonder what on earth can be done to keep the pattern from repeating.

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3 La Belette Rouge September 26, 2010 at 3:47 pm

3100 Sheridan is a VERY nice address and it is a very nice building. Sheridan is absolutely one of my favorite streets.

I really believe in something called the ancestral psyche. I do believe we continue to try and resolve issues that previous generations were not able to. I think if a current family member works on the issue that the pattern can stop. It can!

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4 Susan Tiner September 26, 2010 at 3:52 pm

That’s good to know LBR! xoxo -Susan

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5 lisahgolden September 26, 2010 at 6:32 pm

I agree with LBR, this is fascinating. I’m familiar with those Chicago addresses. The building on Winnemac looks very much like where Doug and I lived on the northside of Chicago. Same kind of flat. The apartments were nice and roomy.

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6 Susan Tiner September 27, 2010 at 8:15 am

Lisa, it’s good to know those flats are roomy.

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7 The Storialist September 26, 2010 at 11:51 pm

You are a talented and persistent detective! I love the last photo of your and your Grandma (her expression is great).

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8 Susan Tiner September 27, 2010 at 8:16 am

Thanks Hannah. It’s going to take time to fill out the picture.

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9 Kerry September 27, 2010 at 4:41 am

If your dad was born in 1930 in Cook County, the odds are pretty good that there’s a birth certificate. Even home births required a birth certificate at that time/place, and compliance was pretty widespread.

Have you ordered his SS-5? That’s the form you fill out when you get a Social Security card. It required that you list your parents’ names. A guy born in 1930 would have filled out the form at the time he got his first job (so usually late teens). He may have listed his biological father. You’ll need his SSN to order it; it should be on his death certificate (or in the Social Security Death Index, which is on Ancestry). You can get it here: https://secure.ssa.gov/apps9/eFOIA-FEWeb/internet/main.jsp (make sure you order the original, not the compute abstract…you want to see what he actually wrote on the form).

I’m wondering what Dorothy’s home life was like prior to the time she got pregnant. Sometimes (not always, but sometimes), you find that the drinking and sex were an escape from something…not good.

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10 Kerry September 27, 2010 at 5:12 am

More thoughts:

1. So Dorothy and Carnall married when she was seven months pregnant? “Hasty” marriages usually (not always, but usually) happened earlier in a pregnancy than that. Is it possible that Carnall was not the father, but a sympathetic guy who married a girl in trouble for some reason? Could that be why Dorothy found him easier to cut out of her life…because he was not the father of her baby?

2. It’s possible that your dad’s birth wasn’t recorded at the time (especially if the circumstances were unusual). However, there would still be a delayed birth record somewhere, because when he applied for a Social Security card, he would have needed to provide some proof of birth. You should definitely order that SS-5, but I would also check DELAYED birth records for Cook County. Those are the records that people submitted years later, so that there would be a birth record that they could use for Social Security. I think they’re on microfilm with the FHL (which means you’ll need to find a Mormon church near you that has an FHL research facility, which shouldn’t be too hard where you live, and order the microfilm. You pay a small fee, they call you when the film arrives from Salt Lake City, and then you go through the microfilm and see what you can find. But order the SS-5 first.)

3. Vital records in 1930 were usually handwritten, and Carnall looks a lot like Cornell. There’s a Robert Cornell in the Cook County birth index who was 23 Dec 1930. The “Robert” wouldn’t normally have caught my eye, but the date is a match, and the certificates are only $15. I’d probably order that certificate, on the off chance that it’s him. Sometimes there are indexing errors, and often first names were changed after the birth (these things were far more common then than now, when your name is etched in stone hours after you’re born).

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11 Susan Tiner September 27, 2010 at 8:41 am

Hi Kerry,
Thank you so much for the thoughts and suggestions! I did check the Robert Cornell birth certificate but the parent names are completely different. I tried searching for Carnall, Tiner and Crocker from 1929 – 1931 and nothing turned up so it seems that he was either born in a different county or the birth wasn’t recorded or, as you suggest, it was a delayed recording. I’ve ordered the SS-5 and will follow up with delayed birth records for Cook County once I have the SS-5.

I did think of the scenario of helping a girl in trouble. That would make even more sense if things weren’t going well at home.

So many questions!

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12 savvysavingbytes September 29, 2010 at 9:38 am

Looks like this adventure is going to qualify you for opening up a detective agency once it’s over. These searches can lead to strange places. I have a good friend whose birth certificate couldn’t be located when she applied for a passport. After a long search, it turned out she had been searching in the wrong state AND with the incorrect date of her birth. She was actually born a year earlier than she had thought and in a far away state where her parents had escaped after discovering her unmarried mother was pregnant. And not only had they pretended to their whole family in the East that my friend wasn’t born till 9 months after their wedding, but they had kept that secret for her whole life and didn’t reveal it to my friend (by then in her thirties) even when she couldn’t locate her birth certificate. AND once my friend finally dug up this information, her parents were disturbed when she let the cat out of the bag and shared it with other relatives.

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13 Susan Tiner September 29, 2010 at 3:21 pm

That is an amazing story savvysavingbytes!

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14 Shelley January 23, 2012 at 3:23 am

I do love genealogy, just about the only real detective work we civilians get to do. It has doubled my interest in history and geography. I only learned a year ago (at age 55) that my Dad was adopted, through someone on ancestry.com who snapped an illicit photo at the Minnesota Historical Society. It was not good news to me and I doubt I’ll learn much about his birth family (their name being Brown). I don’t think my Dad knew, but his cousins did. I’ve found all sort of lovely people that I’m distantly related to, people who have invited me to stay at their houses (a relative stranger) and to family reunions (amazing to find a whole room of strangers who adored my grandparents). My grandmother (genetic) was a v. independent sort, referred to as the ‘wild one’ by her sisters. I’ve found a marriage certificate for someone with her name marrying to a man we never heard of, witnessed by the man who was my grandfather. Strange goings on back then. I think (considering the whole class thing) people struggled to gain and maintain a semblance of ‘respectability’ even as it went entirely against their grain. Loving your blog!

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15 Susan Tiner January 23, 2012 at 10:50 am

Hi Shelley, I’m glad you like the blog, will try to catch up on your comments this morning. That sounds troubling, learning about your Dad from a stranger. I know what you mean about genealogy sometimes turning up strange facts.

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16 Susan Tiner January 23, 2012 at 10:51 am

I do have the US subscription but didn’t splurge on the International — don’t have enough evidence of connection to specific UK countries for that to make sense.

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17 Shelley January 23, 2012 at 3:24 am

Oh yes (I do ramble in my comments). I’m thinking you might be able to ‘subscribe’ to ancestry.com for just a month at a time – enough to get at the Welsh records, perhaps. Not sure how that might work on top of a ‘regular’ subscription, though. Just a thought.

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