17. Mystery Baby

by Susan Tiner on September 13, 2010

who are you little one?

I wrote to my friend Kerry over at Clue Wagon about the possibility of finding out more about my Dad using genealogical resources and she suggested I write down everything I do know and consider doing the same for my Mom as well. The plan was to send her the list(s) so she can review them for research ideas.

She also suggested signing up for ancestry.com and though I did mean to work out today and deal with a host of other todo items, I have to confess I blew the entire day researching my family on ancestry.com.

I feel tantalizingly close to figuring out who my father was.

The most amazing thing was placing my Grandmother, Dorothy Marie Crocker (spelled Dorathy on the Census form), as of the 1920 US Census, in the household she was living in at about age 10 in Cook County, Illinois with her mother Amelia, father Eugene, Amelia’s sister Lillie Tieste, Lillie’s husband William Tieste, and her grandmother Anna Miller. Anna was born in Sweden as were her mother and father. Eugene and his parents were born in Ohio.

Dorothy Crocker circa 1920

What fun. I remember my father’s Great Aunt Lillie Tieste and will share stories about her in future posts.

The coolest thing I found was this marriage certificate.

October 1930

This is interesting because the tibit I’d heard growing up is that at some point my father formally changed his legal name from Jack J. Carnall to John J. Tiner. So I wasn’t surprised to see the Carnall name. I’m guessing this is my grandfather. So Dorothy and Jack Carnall were married two months before my Dad, shown in the picture above, was born December 23, 1930.

The odd thing is that my grandmother remarried this same man again three years later in 1933 as you can see from this marriage certificate.

Dorothy J. Carnall and Jack J. Carnall

So they must have gotten divorced sometime between 1930 and 1933 but at the moment I can’t verify this because I don’t know how to access Cook County divorce records.

The 1930 Census in Evanston, Cook, Illinois places my grandmother, as of April 4, 1930, living in the household with her parents and the Tieste relatives. She was just 18 and if we can rely on my father’s self-reported birth date of Dec 23, 1930, she must have already been pregnant with my father.

Given the probably hasty marriage to Jack J. Carnall Oct 1930 I’m guessing he was the father but the thing is I can’t figure out what they named my Dad. I tried every combination I could think of at CookCountyGenealogy and my Dad’s birth certificate doesn’t pop up.

So I’m stuck for the moment and will seeking clues from Kerry about how one proceeds to track down a birth.

Who knew we had Swedish ancestry? Very cool. This could explain why I burn so easily in the sun.

This is my theory about what happened. Dorothy hastily married Jack Carnall but he wasn’t a nice person. In a few rare moments of what passed for honesty with my Dad he did convey extremely troubling abuse — like being beaten with a baseball bat. So I’m guessing this Carnall guy was pretty bad news but that Grandmother felt she had to marry to give the baby a name. Yet there’s no name? TBD. Then it was necessary to divorce. I can’t imagine the circumstances of remarriage but just figure these are probably not good circumstances.

Then as per the Holy City post, we know Dorothy somehow got the heck out of Cook County and was living in San Francisco. I’m guessing this is where the Tiner guy comes into the picture, and Lords knows, searching on ancestry.com today, there’s plenty of Tiners to pick and choose from.

I think my Dad was never formally named Tiner. I think Dorothy had him assume this name so he wouldn’t have the name of the nasty Carnall.

All of this needs careful research but this is my working concept.

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September 14, 2010 at 8:05 am

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1 Lisa Golden September 14, 2010 at 6:31 am

What fun! That’s a treasure trove of info to start with. I love the genealogy. Happy digging.

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2 Kerry September 14, 2010 at 7:45 am

Oh wow. That’s a GREAT start.

I’ll take a closer look at this when I have more time, but one thing about the two marriages: it’s possible that the first one wasn’t recorded properly (either in the civil or the church records), and that’s why they did it over. In any case, divorce records are much harder to get than others (because they’re so sensitive), but there are other ways to work through that. Both weddings were Catholic, so the church might have a record of the divorce/annulment, if there is one.

I have found that it’s both crushing and enlightening to find stories like this. You can’t help but feel for Dorothy…and it helps explain some things about your dad. And EVERY family has stories like this one…it just sucks to be directly descended from them.

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3 Susan Tiner September 14, 2010 at 8:57 am

Thanks Lisa, it really is fun.

Kerry, that’s interesting about the church possibly having divorce or annulment records. I will definitely follow up.

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4 The Storialist September 14, 2010 at 9:45 am

Wow wow wow! Incredible!

I love those marriage certificates.

My mom’s mother was raised in an orphanage (and passed away long ago), so we know little about her family (also Swedish!). I’m so curious about what you uncover in your research, all these clues.

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5 Susan Tiner September 14, 2010 at 10:22 am

Thanks Hannah. I wrote to your Mom yesterday. It sounds like we have similar family histories except that sadly there wasn’t time to learn more details while her Mom was still alive. In my case there was time but neither parent wanted to talk honestly about the past.

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6 La Belette Rouge September 15, 2010 at 9:02 pm

I find genealogy so fascinating. I have done a lot of genealogical research and it is addictive. Every time I found a new document I felt like I had just won the lotto. I love learning more about your family history.
p.s.I was just in Evanston where your grandmother is from.

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7 Susan Tiner September 15, 2010 at 10:18 pm

LBR, I know what you mean about genealogy being addictive.

Yes, my grandmother was living there and my mother met my father near there and I was baptized in Evanston. It seems to be the nucleus of my family story.

I wrote letters to the churches today where the marriages took place to see if there’s a record of my Dad’s baptism. It may take a long time to follow the possible leads but that’s ok.

I may take a pilgrimage trip to Chicago at some point — it would be fun if you’re living there by then.

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8 La Belette Rouge September 15, 2010 at 10:21 pm

If I am living there when you visit Chicago you can count on me to be your guide and host! I hope that works out. What fun that would be.:-)

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9 Susan Tiner September 16, 2010 at 8:30 am

That would be fun! I am actually looking for books now about families living in Ward 25 — Evanston area — in that timeframe. I’ll send you a FB message to see if you know of any.

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