<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: 13. Class Vicissitudes</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/</link>
	<description>sorting out money and meaning</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 23:13:14 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Susan Tiner</title>
		<link>http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-29869</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Tiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.financialorganizing.info/?p=2673#comment-29869</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Thank you savvysavingbytes. I think people sew less now in part because the fabric and patterns are so expensive.

I am glad your family didn&#039;t make you feel like you were too big for your britches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you savvysavingbytes. I think people sew less now in part because the fabric and patterns are so expensive.</p>
<p>I am glad your family didn&#8217;t make you feel like you were too big for your britches.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: savvysavingbytes</title>
		<link>http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-29866</link>
		<dc:creator>savvysavingbytes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.financialorganizing.info/?p=2673#comment-29866</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[As an old hand with needle and thread, I know a good piece of sewing when I see it, which is your dress. It&#039;s interesting how everyone sewed so much years ago and now it&#039;s completely finito.

Your writing is compelling here and it makes me wonder why I didn&#039;t think about class more at a young age, considering that in eighth grade I moved with my family from a lower class, industrial city neighborhood to a middle class neighborhood in an affluent suburban town where my first  friend was a senator&#039;s daughter. One minute I was running wild in back city alleys and the next sitting pool-side at country clubs. 

But there was no you&#039;re getting too big for your britches thing at home. It was assumed we&#039;d go farther than our parents, just as they had gone farther than theirs. And my parents worked very hard to make this happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an old hand with needle and thread, I know a good piece of sewing when I see it, which is your dress. It&#8217;s interesting how everyone sewed so much years ago and now it&#8217;s completely finito.</p>
<p>Your writing is compelling here and it makes me wonder why I didn&#8217;t think about class more at a young age, considering that in eighth grade I moved with my family from a lower class, industrial city neighborhood to a middle class neighborhood in an affluent suburban town where my first  friend was a senator&#8217;s daughter. One minute I was running wild in back city alleys and the next sitting pool-side at country clubs. </p>
<p>But there was no you&#8217;re getting too big for your britches thing at home. It was assumed we&#8217;d go farther than our parents, just as they had gone farther than theirs. And my parents worked very hard to make this happen.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Angie Muresan</title>
		<link>http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-29855</link>
		<dc:creator>Angie Muresan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 05:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.financialorganizing.info/?p=2673#comment-29855</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[And you shouldn&#039;t have, Susan.  The dress is lovely and you look lovely in it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you shouldn&#8217;t have, Susan.  The dress is lovely and you look lovely in it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Susan Tiner</title>
		<link>http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-29851</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Tiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 02:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.financialorganizing.info/?p=2673#comment-29851</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Meredith, aha! I did not see the power but I know that I felt powerful at some level despite all of the screwed up insecurities. Maybe power looks like defiance to the onlooker?

Wow I totally agree that the middle class is the sweet spot but I like to think that part of what makes it so is that you are free to stay where you are or maybe even take a non-traditional path but are also free to aspire upward without apologizing. It seems the most forgiving layer in the US class layer cake, encouraging children to seek the place that&#039;s best for them. 

I am curious though how solidly middle class families handle it when a child does aspire to the professional or elite class and is suddenly in that milieu. Is it a point of contention or pride. I wonder.

 In my experience with the affluent NY Jewish culture, this seemed to be handled by creating an elite subculture, i.e., not even trying to gain admittance to the traditional WASP world but creating a parallel elite world that retains some of the nuances of the middle class sweet spot while also comfortably moving and shaking with the powerful.

This is so interesting to me!

Thanks so much  for your lovely comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meredith, aha! I did not see the power but I know that I felt powerful at some level despite all of the screwed up insecurities. Maybe power looks like defiance to the onlooker?</p>
<p>Wow I totally agree that the middle class is the sweet spot but I like to think that part of what makes it so is that you are free to stay where you are or maybe even take a non-traditional path but are also free to aspire upward without apologizing. It seems the most forgiving layer in the US class layer cake, encouraging children to seek the place that&#8217;s best for them. </p>
<p>I am curious though how solidly middle class families handle it when a child does aspire to the professional or elite class and is suddenly in that milieu. Is it a point of contention or pride. I wonder.</p>
<p> In my experience with the affluent NY Jewish culture, this seemed to be handled by creating an elite subculture, i.e., not even trying to gain admittance to the traditional WASP world but creating a parallel elite world that retains some of the nuances of the middle class sweet spot while also comfortably moving and shaking with the powerful.</p>
<p>This is so interesting to me!</p>
<p>Thanks so much  for your lovely comment.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Meredith</title>
		<link>http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-29850</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 01:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.financialorganizing.info/?p=2673#comment-29850</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Susan, I love the dress.  It is pretty.  And you don&#039;t look &quot;too big for your britches&quot; at all to me.  I see just a normal adolescent, a bit insecure, with that look they sometimes have, as if the enthusiasm and Life will spill over with just the slightest nudge of encouragement.  There is also, I perceive, a lurking power in that gaze.  

But maybe I read too much into a photo.

Class was a mixed up subject in my household b/c my dad actually was to the manor born and defied the rules by marrying a poor-as-dirt farmer&#039;s daughter.  It was such a transgression that family legend says my aristocratic grandmother refused to allow my mother to enter the home at first, and attempted to push my mother down the grand old staircase to the mansion, which would have had pretty dire consequences if Daddy hadn&#039;t caught her.  I received so many different messages about money and class, I can&#039;t even separate them out now.  I *do* think the middle class is the sweet spot for not being forced by circumstances into extremely narrow, confining roles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, I love the dress.  It is pretty.  And you don&#8217;t look &#8220;too big for your britches&#8221; at all to me.  I see just a normal adolescent, a bit insecure, with that look they sometimes have, as if the enthusiasm and Life will spill over with just the slightest nudge of encouragement.  There is also, I perceive, a lurking power in that gaze.  </p>
<p>But maybe I read too much into a photo.</p>
<p>Class was a mixed up subject in my household b/c my dad actually was to the manor born and defied the rules by marrying a poor-as-dirt farmer&#8217;s daughter.  It was such a transgression that family legend says my aristocratic grandmother refused to allow my mother to enter the home at first, and attempted to push my mother down the grand old staircase to the mansion, which would have had pretty dire consequences if Daddy hadn&#8217;t caught her.  I received so many different messages about money and class, I can&#8217;t even separate them out now.  I *do* think the middle class is the sweet spot for not being forced by circumstances into extremely narrow, confining roles.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tweets that mention 13. Class Vicissitudes -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-29848</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention 13. Class Vicissitudes -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.financialorganizing.info/?p=2673#comment-29848</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Susan Tiner, Susan Tiner. Susan Tiner said: twitter dears I&#039;ll be back but meanwhile here&#039;s a tweet: http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Susan Tiner, Susan Tiner. Susan Tiner said: twitter dears I&#39;ll be back but meanwhile here&#39;s a tweet: <a href="http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/</a> [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Susan Tiner</title>
		<link>http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-29846</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Tiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.financialorganizing.info/?p=2673#comment-29846</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Lisa, what I remember is the expectation of succeeding but doing so without any kind of pretensions though I&#039;m still not sure exactly which pursuits were considered pretentious. I think academic aspirations were suspect -- and certainly pursuing writing as a career. Anything that might put one in the position of feeling self important. In my family of origin the phrase &quot;just be yourself&quot; was used a lot and in a way that meant you ought to carefully avoid any pursuit that might give you &quot;a big head&quot; and thus need to be taken down a notch or two. Garrison Keillor writes about this. I think it&#039;s Midwestern.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, what I remember is the expectation of succeeding but doing so without any kind of pretensions though I&#8217;m still not sure exactly which pursuits were considered pretentious. I think academic aspirations were suspect &#8212; and certainly pursuing writing as a career. Anything that might put one in the position of feeling self important. In my family of origin the phrase &#8220;just be yourself&#8221; was used a lot and in a way that meant you ought to carefully avoid any pursuit that might give you &#8220;a big head&#8221; and thus need to be taken down a notch or two. Garrison Keillor writes about this. I think it&#8217;s Midwestern.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Lisa Golden</title>
		<link>http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-29845</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Golden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.financialorganizing.info/?p=2673#comment-29845</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Somewhere along the way, I realized that my family expected me to aspire, but resented me for it.

I still sense a certain rolling of the eyes when my mother asks &quot;so how is the book coming along?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhere along the way, I realized that my family expected me to aspire, but resented me for it.</p>
<p>I still sense a certain rolling of the eyes when my mother asks &#8220;so how is the book coming along?&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Susan Tiner</title>
		<link>http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-29844</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Tiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.financialorganizing.info/?p=2673#comment-29844</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[It does seem many of us are Episcopalians. I wonder if it&#039;s got something to do with liking to reflect on the bigger picture.

Now I want to know the title of this book on middle class -- I&#039;ll send a tweet.

I probably should have developed the idea more that it can be difficult to change your class of origin because your family and friends may send signals about not crossing the line. In my experience members of each class layer reinforce membership with these kinds of messages.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem many of us are Episcopalians. I wonder if it&#8217;s got something to do with liking to reflect on the bigger picture.</p>
<p>Now I want to know the title of this book on middle class &#8212; I&#8217;ll send a tweet.</p>
<p>I probably should have developed the idea more that it can be difficult to change your class of origin because your family and friends may send signals about not crossing the line. In my experience members of each class layer reinforce membership with these kinds of messages.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: La Belette Rouge</title>
		<link>http://www.financialorganizing.info/2010/08/11/13-class-vicissitudes/comment-page-1/#comment-29843</link>
		<dc:creator>La Belette Rouge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.financialorganizing.info/?p=2673#comment-29843</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Is it just my imagination or are a lot of us memoirists Episcopalians?  
One of my favorite books on class talks a lot about who the middle class is the class of aspiration. As I am from the middle-class I don&#039;t know any other way than to aspire. 

I wonder if the reaction you got from your mother or those who thought you were &quot;too big for your...&quot; came from their own insecurities about not being where they wanted to be and maybe that they envied your self-made sophistication.
xo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just my imagination or are a lot of us memoirists Episcopalians?<br />
One of my favorite books on class talks a lot about who the middle class is the class of aspiration. As I am from the middle-class I don&#8217;t know any other way than to aspire. </p>
<p>I wonder if the reaction you got from your mother or those who thought you were &#8220;too big for your&#8230;&#8221; came from their own insecurities about not being where they wanted to be and maybe that they envied your self-made sophistication.<br />
xo</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
